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GOOD GREEVES: Attention motorcycle fans, we have a quiz for you.
When Dave Smith dropped by with his 1968 Greeves Oulton for a photoshoot the other day, we wondered whether it was the first time this classic and extremely rare British thoroughbred had been to Wigram.
Back in the heyday of motor sport at our airfield in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, motorcycles competed and ate up the laps around our airfield circuit.
We think it is likely there were 250cc Greeves Silverstones competing, but do not know of any Oultons. Please comment below if you know better!
The Greeves Oulton is a 350cc two stroke single, with twin ports.
That means loud and fast!
It is only one of two in New Zealand, and we think it is beautiful.
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Not sure about the Greeves, but for sure the 3 Squadron Avionics wore Grooves in the hangar floor at Hobsonville with all the to-ing and fro-ing to the Joe room getting cups of tea and coffee while the Framies and Sumpies did all the work.
The Britten broke the 100mph lap at Wigram in the 1990s too.
Gilbert Bailey
Garald Ladbrook
Kerry Wilton
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URGENT CLARIFICATION: In an unlikely turn of events, we’ve been alerted to growing confusion about the differences between the De Havilland DH86 Express and the Mitsubishi Express, so we’re stepping in without hesitation to clear the issue up.
The confusion is unsurprising.
As well as sharing a name, these mighty steeds from De Havilland and Mitsubishi were both purpose-built transporters with striking designs, impressive cargo and passenger carrying capability and more than a little engineering flair. They were both a little light in the tail which could result in ‘burn out’ in less experienced pilots – or operators looking for fun.
They both served in the RNZAF and, as you can see, are virtually identical to the untrained eye. So, we’ve prepared a handy three-step guide to allow you to tell them apart at a glance.
The first, and arguably most obvious difference, is in their engine configuration. Mitsubishi went for the safe design option, powering the Express with a 1.8 litre inline four-cylinder Sirius engine producing around 80 horsepower and with a top speed of more than 125km with only the bravest or most foolhardy driver at the wheel.
The De Havilland Express had much more firepower. It came fresh from the factory with four (yes four!) DH Gipsy Six engines producing 200 horsepower each and a heady 800 combined. These four beasts were capable of propelling the Express at up to 267 km/h.
The second difference is in the indicator light configuration.
The De Havilland Express came with a conventional landing light/navigation light/position arrangement but sadly lacked indicators for sudden changes of direction which no doubt caused many a pilot to come unstuck in heavy traffic.
The Mitsubishi Express came with easily recognisable port and starboard indicators that flashed nice and consistently, until a bulb blew. These made changing lanes easy, and there was a hazard light mode as a bonus.
The final difference – and you will kick yourself once it is pointed out – is in the passenger capacity department.
The Mitsubishi Express was reasonably capacious, with room for three crew up front on the flight deck bench seat and the ability to squeeze in up to six average sized baggies (equivalent to three Loadmasters) or eight tall and thin Air Cadets stacked long ways at a pinch, and with safety thrown to the wind.
By contrast, the De Havilland Express had much more satisfactory arrangements for passengers. The long-range version could seat up to 10 passengers with a pilot and navigator up front, but the short-range Express could take up to 12 passengers as well as two crew.
So there you have it. Never confuse your Expresses again.
You’re very welcome!
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Mitsubishi also made an aircraft in the 1930s-40s that was rather "rapide" for its time...but the chances of mistaking it for a Dragon would be zero.
I am a little confused... how did one indicate left or right turns, or more importantly coming to a stop whilst in the air? did one use hand signals out of the window?
Ones is a gorgeous example of design and function working harmoniously together using materials available for its time, the other is a four engined Dragon Rapide
Another often missed point of difference are the cargo doors. While both platforms had the port side cargo doors, the Mitsubishi also had a rear cargo door, which, depending on load configuration, enabled rapid loading and unloading, especially pax. With the Mitsubishi Express, LAPES trials were undertaken and were proving to be particularly effective, but were cancelled after complaints from the mothers of the Under 9s Soccer team.
The L800 4wd was fricken awes in a dark grape purple
Could the Express van lift its rear wheels if the stop pedal was pressed very hard and quickly? Or could the name sake aircraft lift its rear wheel as well ?
With the Mitsubishi if you dumped the clutch with steering at full lock you could lift a front wheel in the air and almost Tip it over especially if you were facing down hill.
Getting a Mitsubishi van up to 80kph was taking your life in your hands
Dad transplanted a Sigma GSR engine into his L300 as it just didn't have enough legs for his towing needs😂
I've never heard of the flying one, tbh. I'll keep an eye out at the traffic lights. Or am I still confused?
air cadets stacked longways 🤣🤣🤣
Express ! I thought that was a Dragonfly ?
The confusion is understandable given that Mitsubishi also make airplanes including many used on the Tokyo Express.
Thanks, again, AFMNZ for a very clever and witty dialogue. Love it.
There was one of those in Queenstown when I was a kid..still flying,painted in mt cook airlines colours
Still confused! It would be helpful if you guys labeled each image.
Phewww thanks for that… i was just bout to ask…..
The Mitsubishi (curse of the three diamonds) had far more catastrophic engine failures 🙃
Another masterful explanation. Ever grateful for these handy guides!
Thank you for clearing that up.
An absolutely beautiful treatise 😀
I’m still confused … maybe label the photos, so we can tell which is which…
You might appreciate this Luke Oxford
Whew! Saved me from making an embarrassing mistake as first time soccer mum.
Thank you so much! I was completely confused until now … 👍😁
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YOU CAN'T PARK THERE MATE! Today's entry dates back to November 1994 when No. 14 Squadron Aermacchi NZ6460 completed a wheels-up landing on the runway after suffering an engine failure on take off from RNZAF Base Ohakea.
The pilot was unhurt - and did a brilliant job of parking the Macchi in difficult circumstances.
The engine failed after it ingested a metal object, resulting in a flameout shortly after take off.
The story has a happy ending. The Macchi was repaired back in Italy and went on to fly again. It now takes pride of place in our museum collection - so come and have a look!
The RNZAF bought 18 Aermacchi MB-339CBs in 1990, and all of the aircraft were operated by No. 14 Squadron at RNZAF Base Ohakea.
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That was a long day, was on day shift, went back to work when the crash alarm went and helped out night shift in the hanger while they sorted out the accident.
They should have been kept to train against ours and foreign troops and navy in the anti air role. Or perhaps offered pilot training to friendly countries in our vast open spaces and generated revenue to keep them.
Watched that happen…well the takeoff part, from the rear seat of the next Macchi waiting g to depart!
Fun fact - that engine serial number VL680009 suffered two FOD related engine failures before it has logged 100 flying hours. After the wheels up landing it arrived at ERS, Woodbourne for repair with 99.1 hours from new. The thread form from the loose fastener was clearly visible in many of the aluminium compressor blades.
They were just lucky that the aircraft I witnessed being eyeball to eyeball with its pilot and flying a few metres above a large macrocapa tree did not crash into the tree and two houses that day. As I was grateful not to have witnessed fully although l will never forget the look on the pilots face through the cabin window of the Air Mac flying so so low off the ground in Northern Taranaki.
The metal object was a 5mm screw from the intake lip - worked loose and drawn forward around the curvature into the engine intake by the mass flow at take off power. The start of a long investigation but as noted a happy ending for pilot and chariot. Kept COTW busy!
I was the President of the Court of Inquiry. As Neil Hygate has noted a fastener (screw) on the outside of the intake lip came loose, moved forward and was ingested. We were initially very surprised when the missing screw appeared likely to have come from the rear of the intake (6” or so), but information from Macchi 326 operators (RAAF and SAAF) revealed this had occurred before on their fleets. High thrust and low-ish speed provided airflow conditions that meant the screw moved forward and not to the rear. The 1st stage compressor in the 326’s variant of the viper was much more forgiving of FOD down the intake than the viper powering the 339’s!
And now they have shithouse nh-90s that would get taken out by an unmanned drone in about 30 seconds flat
Fly the Herc's and the Orions for 50 years, fly the Macchi's for 11 years, now that is really efficient Labour Government. Remember that later in the year people, who you can trust and who you cannot.
Thought it might have been a buccaneer going through a drive through there before my eyes adjusted.
This image warrants the caption 'Only when needing to use full thrust to taxi did it occur that he'd not put his landing gear down.'
And 'apparently' asking the flight line SNCO for the phone number for the TV news channel isn't the correct response Aaron Carr
Yeah remember saw TV news.
Interesting, looks like it is attempting to operate at or just above the usual altitude used by the Buccaneer.
Remember being on base and hearing it. As one of a few off duty fire crew we responded on the Hino fire tanker. I think one Unipower firetender lights blew whilst responding. I’m pretty sure there was a RAAF 707 flying at the time that night. Correct me if wrong? Always wondered if the outcome would have been didn’t if the gun pods weren’t on? Loooking for an expert answer there?
They were trainers for the Skyhawks. One used to land at Whenuapai every Wednesday with the mail from Ohakea. There they had Carabous, pc3 Orion's or sub hunters and Hercules. Practically rewired the whole base, built a new HiTech telephone exchange with filters and U.S staff working with us. The hangers and then the same with Hobsonville.
grew up in bulls, i use to love hearing them screaming around the sky
How many strikemasters did we have?
Difficult to taxi with full afterburner.
Nice looking aircraft but I like the Strikemaster better. John McCormick
Himatangi Beach 1994!
Good skills
David JG when do you get a post?
Isn't that the same reason another Macchi crashed into water in Auckland not long after? I think there was a technician in the back seat. I remember seeing the HUD tape of it.
Graeme Hill
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